- 11.A. Babbling Dogs And Strike Points (Rule Update) -

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- 11.A. Babbling Dogs And Strike Points (Rule Update) -

Postby Jerry Moll » Mon Nov 26, 2018 3:37 pm

There has been some confusion concerning the strike point positions of dogs minused for babbling. Many members believe that after a dog is minused for babbling, that those strike points (strike position) should then become available for other dogs. The PKC Executive Committee recently looked at this rule and agreed that dogs minused for babbling should be treated just as dogs minused on a miscall by their handler, as shown in rule #11.C.

Effective 12/01/2018, after dog(s) receive minus strike points for babbling, their strike points (positions), will then become available to other dogs. Any dogs that were struck after the babbler should then be moved up accordingly. As always, when the minused dogs strike back in, they will receive a maximum of 25 points, unless all dogs are competing for 100 strike points. The new language, now included in rule 11. A. is shown below, underlined.


11. A. Babbling - Dog(s) to receive minus strike points when determined to be babbling. Strike points (positions) minused for babbling, will then be available to all handlers. When a minused dog strikes back in, it will receive a maximum of 25 points, unless all dogs are competing for 100 strike points. Dog(s) continually barking after being released and struck where no track is evident may be considered babbling. Dog(s) declared struck within the first minute after being released must show that it is taking a track out of the area and not false barking.
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Postby Michael Ward » Mon Nov 26, 2018 7:10 pm

Good move!
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Postby Billy Carter » Tue Nov 27, 2018 2:42 pm

Game changer. And just when I bought one that barks every time her foot hits the ground. Minus them babblers after that minute. I like it. Will it be enforced?
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Postby Ben Rogers » Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:19 pm

So dose that mean. That dogs getting struck in off dog lead and never shuts up. Can they be minused? When no track is evident?

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Postby Jerry Moll » Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:28 pm

Ben Rogers wrote:So dose that mean. That dogs getting struck in off dog lead and never shuts up. Can they be minused? When no track is evident?

Yes, but there is no charge there Ben.
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Postby Ben Rogers » Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:40 pm

So you’re tell me that these dogs that leave barking and are just barking. That I can minus them? Then ask them for a call on their dog and minus them again?

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Postby Jan Pritchard » Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:43 pm

So basically your telling me we can minus these mouthy a@@ $25,000 dogs now?? :lol: :lol:

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Re: - 11.A. Babbling Dogs And Strike Points (Rule Update) -

Postby Jerry Moll » Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:32 pm

This is the only part of rule #11.A. that has changed. Just this one sentence. The rest of the rule remains as it has been.

Strike points (positions) minused for babbling, will then be available to all handlers.
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Postby Ben Rogers » Wed Nov 28, 2018 8:15 pm

When are you going do something about these automatic strike dogs??

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Postby Billy Carter » Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:05 am

It’s there already. Minus them if no track evident. Judgement call

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Postby Steven Basham » Thu Nov 29, 2018 3:29 pm

Define wherevtrack isnt evident? I cant smell. This is such a hox. So what happens when u think a dog is babbling u minus it then few mins later it trees. I get that having a dog that barks every breathe is annoying and people hate it but how do u minusvthem if they dont shut up. Judgement call? Well hell than any dog ever struck under the minute just minus them right off the bat cause track to me isnt evident. This is one of the biggest gray area there is because u try pulling it on someone u better nevervtry to strike under the minute ever cause ull get it in return.

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Postby Coy Sullivan » Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:43 pm

Steven Basham wrote:Define wherevtrack isnt evident? I cant smell. This is such a hox. So what happens when u think a dog is babbling u minus it then few mins later it trees. I get that having a dog that barks every breathe is annoying and people hate it but how do u minusvthem if they dont shut up. Judgement call? Well hell than any dog ever struck under the minute just minus them right off the bat cause track to me isnt evident. This is one of the biggest gray area there is because u try pulling it on someone u better nevervtry to strike under the minute ever cause ull get it in return.



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Postby Zachery Caines » Fri Nov 30, 2018 12:37 pm

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Re: - 11.A. Babbling Dogs And Strike Points (Rule Update) -

Postby Richard C Lambert » Fri Nov 30, 2018 12:57 pm

I saw on another post that a dog was struck for 100 under the minute, trailed for 2 hrs and was never minused for babbling. How long after a dog is struck do you have to decide if they are babbling? If they haven't treed 30 minutes later and it is obvious that they are either just running around barking or trailing the other dogs, can you still minus them? Or if it has been an hour and they have gone 1 mile and still haven't made a tree, can you still minus them?

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Re: - 11.A. Babbling Dogs And Strike Points (Rule Update) -

Postby Richard C Lambert » Fri Nov 30, 2018 1:06 pm

Why doesn't PKC post a list of "Dogs minused for babbling more than 2 times"? Then everyone would know who the babbling dogs were. That would put a stop to the problem. (If there is a problem) It seems to me that this would be an easy fix. If you had a babbler, then everyone would know and you would have to stop them or get minused every time you hunted them. It worked with mean dogs. :p


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